Compare SmarterQueue alternatives by the reason you’re switching: X publishing metered at 50 credits a month, $29.99 buying only four profiles, needing client approvals and password-free onboarding, missing a social inbox or DM automation, needing deeper analytics or ads on a budget, wanting category recycling with better collaboration, or needing social listening. RecurPost fits agencies hitting SmarterQueue’s X cap and approval gaps, while Buffer, HeyOrca, Sendible, Vista Social, Agorapulse, Metricool, SocialBee, Sprout Social and Hootsuite win the other triggers. See the 10 best alternatives at a glance.

SmarterQueue meters X (Twitter) publishing with monthly credits. Every plan includes 50 X/Twitter Credits per month, combined across every workspace in your organization, and SmarterQueue sells higher allowances as a paid add-on stepping up to 40,000 credits. That cap is the loudest reason accounts leave, and it is one of several. SmarterQueue also ships no social inbox, no formal approval workflow and no white-label option, so different rosters leave for different reasons. Each reason points to a different replacement. The groups below sort the strongest SmarterQueue alternatives by trigger, with pricing math run in both directions and the cases where each tool (RecurPost included) loses.

The short version, before the evidence:

The gap that’s moving youStrongest pickStarting price
X publishing metered at 50 credits a monthRecurPost$9/mo
$29.99 buys only 4 profilesBufferFree (3 channels)
Client approvals and onboardingRecurPost or HeyOrca$9/mo / Free
No social inbox or DM automationRecurPost or Vista Social$9/mo / $79/mo
Analytics and ads on a budgetMetricoolFree (1 brand)
Category recycling with better collaborationSocialBee$29/mo
Social listening and governanceSprout Social or Hootsuite$199/seat/mo

Every pick in that table loses somewhere. The rest of the page shows where.

SmarterQueue alternatives are social media management platforms that replace some combination of SmarterQueue’s metered X publishing, category-based recycling engine, and one-user-per-plan pricing. No single replacement matches SmarterQueue’s own-history best-time analytics or its recycling depth, so the right social media management tool depends on whether the trigger is X volume, price, approvals, engagement, analytics, or genuinely wanting the recycling workflow.

The 10 Best SmarterQueue Alternatives at a Glance

The 10 best SmarterQueue alternatives in 2026 are RecurPost, Buffer, HeyOrca, Sendible, Vista Social, Agorapulse, Metricool, SocialBee, Sprout Social, and Hootsuite. Each one earns its place by winning at least one of the seven switching triggers this page is built around.

#ToolBest forStarting price
1RecurPostUncapped X publishing, approvals and multi-client onboarding$9/mo (2 profiles); Agency $79/mo for 20 profiles and 3 users
2BufferCheapest option at 3 or fewer channelsFree (3 channels); $6/channel/mo after
3HeyOrcaThe deepest approval experience for zero-X agenciesFree tier; up to $126 per workspace
4SendiblePassword-free onboarding for small rosters$29/mo (6 profiles); Client Connect from $99/mo
5Vista SocialThe deepest inbox and DM automation stack$79/mo (15 profiles); X publishing +$29/mo
6AgorapulseInbox-first teams with several seats$99/user/mo ($79 annual)
7MetricoolAnalytics and ads management on a budgetFree (1 brand); $25/mo for 5 brands
8SocialBeeCategory-based recycling with better collaboration$29/mo (5 profiles)
9Sprout SocialEnterprise listening and governance$199/seat/mo
10HootsuiteEnterprise listening at larger scale$99-$399/user/mo (annual)

Sources: pricing pages for RecurPost, Buffer, HeyOrca, Sendible, Vista Social, Agorapulse, Metricool, SocialBee, Sprout Social, and Hootsuite. Verified July 16, 2026.

Why Buyers Leave SmarterQueue

SmarterQueue built a genuinely deep evergreen-recycling engine and then stopped short of everything around it. Five gaps drive most departures.

SmarterQueue rations X. Every plan, including the $99.99 Agency tier, starts at 50 X/Twitter Credits per month, combined across the whole organization. Raising the allowance is a paid add-on. A single client who posts to X daily consumes 30 credits a month alone, so two active X clients exhaust the included allowance.

SmarterQueue has no social inbox. Comments and messages on published posts get answered inside each native platform, one login at a time. SmarterQueue offers no DM automation and no paid-ads management either.

SmarterQueue has no formal approval workflow. Workspaces carry Admin, Editor and Client roles with inline comments, but nothing routes a post through a signoff gate before publishing, and no white-label portal or branded report exists for the client to review in.

SmarterQueue starts every plan at one user. Profiles, users and categories are add-on steppers on top of the base price, so a three-person team on the $49.99 Business plan pays extra for the second and third seat before anyone schedules a post.

SmarterQueue’s mobile app is push-limited. The app mainly fires reminders for Instagram personal profiles and Stories rather than offering full create-and-schedule. SmarterQueue also lists no native Zapier integration and no public API, which walls the queue off from the rest of an agency’s stack.

A four-client agency with one restaurant client posting daily to X, one law firm that signs off on every post before it goes live, and comment replies handled centrally for all four clients cannot run on SmarterQueue at any plan level. The X credit cap, the missing approval gate and the missing inbox each block a different part of that roster.

A solo blogger recycling a deep archive across four profiles, staying inside the included X credits, has not outgrown SmarterQueue at all. SmarterQueue’s best-time-to-post analytics built on your own posting history remain a real strength, and the staying-on-SmarterQueue section below covers that case.

What a SmarterQueue Replacement Has to Cover

SmarterQueue prices in plan bundles with steppers, and that unit hides the real comparison. Solo covers up to 4 profiles at $29.99, Business covers 10 at $49.99 and Agency covers 25 at $99.99, each starting with one user. Extra profiles, extra users and extra categories all raise the bill from there. Most alternatives price per social account, per channel, per brand or per user seat instead, so convert your roster to a flat account count and a flat headcount before comparing anything.

Then run five checks against that roster:

  • Count your monthly X volume per client. SmarterQueue’s included 50 X credits per month are the floor to beat, and some rivals (Vista Social, Metricool) also charge extra for X.
  • Confirm the platforms your clients need beyond SmarterQueue’s nine native networks. Bluesky is not native on SmarterQueue, and several alternatives cover it on base plans.
  • Find the plan tier where client approvals unlock. SmarterQueue never formalizes them, Buffer holds them until its Team plan and SocialBee holds them until Accelerate.
  • Price the loaded cost, meaning base plan plus every seat and add-on your roster forces. SmarterQueue’s one-user base makes team seats a hidden line item.
  • Map the migration path before canceling. Category queues with expiry rules do not export cleanly anywhere, so plan to rebuild them as libraries or schedules.

The coverage table below settles the first and third checks for the tools this page recommends most often. We verified the SmarterQueue cells against its pricing page on July 16, 2026.

ToolX publishingSocial inboxClient approvals unlock
SmarterQueueMetered: 50 credits/mo included; paid add-on to raiseNoneNo formal workflow (roles and comments only)
RecurPostIncluded, every paid planYes, with AI repliesEvery paid plan
BufferIncludedCommunity tab, no assignmentTeam plan, $12/channel/mo
Vista SocialAdd-on, $29/moYes, with assignmentIncluded in plans
SocialBeeIncludedYes, no assignment or auto-replyAccelerate, $49/mo

Sources: SmarterQueue, RecurPost, Buffer, Vista Social, and SocialBee pricing pages. Verified July 16, 2026.

The full directory of social media scheduler alternatives runs these same checks across the whole category. The seven groups below run them for the SmarterQueue case only.

The Best SmarterQueue Alternatives by Switching Trigger

Your X Publishing Hit the Credit Cap

Best matchRecurPost
Choose RecurPost whenX publishing needs to be uncapped and included in the base price
Choose Buffer whenA solo account with light X needs

RecurPost publishes to X on every paid plan without a weekly cap and runs a Twitter wallet that covers X’s $0.20 per-link posting fee, so an agency keeps posting link content without metering tweets or setting up API billing per client. RecurPost’s honest caveat sits at the character limit: posts over 280 characters need the client’s own X Premium subscription. Buffer publishes to X on its free and paid plans. Publer publishes to X on its paid plans with daily caps that scale by tier, which still lands far above SmarterQueue’s base allowance.

Vista Social treats X the way SmarterQueue does: as a paid extra. The X add-on costs $29 per month on top of Vista Social’s $79 Professional plan and includes boosting and X analytics. Buyers fleeing metered X should price that add-on before assuming Vista Social fixes the trigger.

For uncapped X publishing included in the base price, RecurPost wins this group. A solo account with light needs does the same job cheaper on Buffer.

Running out of X credits every month on a metered plan? RecurPost publishes to X with no cap, on every paid plan from $9/mo.

You Are Paying $29.99 for Four Profiles

Best matchBuffer for 3 or fewer channels, RecurPost Personal for 4-5 profiles
Choose Buffer when3 or fewer channels — free beats everything
Choose RecurPost when4 to 5 profiles need more scheduler per dollar than Buffer or SmarterQueue Solo

Buffer undercuts SmarterQueue’s Solo plan at every roster size below five profiles. Buffer’s free plan covers 3 channels with 10 scheduled posts per channel. Buffer Essentials costs $6 per channel per month on monthly billing ($5 annual), so the same 4 profiles that cost $29.99 on SmarterQueue cost $24 on Buffer with unlimited scheduling. Buffer also publishes to Threads, Bluesky and Mastodon, none of which SmarterQueue supports natively.

Buffer’s cheapness has hard edges. Buffer requires account credentials at connection, surfaces no error when a post fails and applies the same content to every profile of a platform without per-profile customization in one pass. Publer plays the same budget role at roughly $5 to $10 per account per month with bulk tools, spintax and a strong mobile app included.

RecurPost Personal covers 5 profiles at $25 per month, a dollar more than Buffer’s 4-channel price for one extra profile plus bulk CSV, RSS import and an approval queue.

Buffer takes this group for a solo operator with 3 or fewer channels, since free beats everything. Between 4 and 5 profiles, RecurPost Personal at $25 buys more scheduler per dollar than either Buffer or SmarterQueue Solo.

Paying $29.99/mo for just four profiles? RecurPost Personal covers 5 profiles for $25/mo, with bulk CSV, RSS import and approvals included.

Clients Need Approvals and Password-Free Onboarding

Best matchRecurPost, or HeyOrca for zero-X agencies
Choose RecurPost whenThe roster includes X or needs bulk scheduling
Choose HeyOrca whenZero X clients, want the best approval experience
Choose Sendible whenSmall roster mainly wants the onboarding trick

RecurPost onboards clients without passwords. The client receives an email or link invite, connects their own accounts and never shares credentials. RecurPost includes its approval queue on every paid plan inside per-client workspaces, where SmarterQueue offers roles and inline comments but no signoff gate at any price.

Sendible matches the onboarding trick with Client Connect, which lets clients connect their own accounts from the agency’s site without password sharing. Sendible starts at $29 per month for 6 profiles, and its per-plan value thins out as rosters grow.

HeyOrca goes furthest on the approval experience itself. HeyOrca prices per client workspace (free tier up to $126 per workspace) and builds each workspace around review rounds, link-based external review and a branded client portal. HeyOrca does not publish to X at all, which sends any roster with an X client back to the first group.

Vista Social covers link-based client review and approval workflows well, with multi-stage approvals gated to its $149 Advanced plan.

An agency with zero X clients gets the best approval experience on HeyOrca. An agency whose roster includes X or bulk scheduling lands on RecurPost, and Sendible remains the closest onboarding match at small sizes.

Clients still reviewing posts over email because SmarterQueue has no approval gate? RecurPost includes an approval queue and password-free onboarding on every paid plan, from $9/mo.

You Need a Social Inbox or DM Automation

Best matchVista Social outright, RecurPost on price
Choose Vista Social whenBudget carries $79 plus add-ons for the deepest inbox
Choose RecurPost whenThe inbox needs to come bundled with scheduling, not centered
Choose Agorapulse whenEngagement-first team with several seats

SmarterQueue leaves every comment and message inside the native apps. Three alternatives fix that at very different depths.

RecurPost bundles a social inbox with AI replies into its per-profile pricing and adds Instagram DM keyword automation with CTA buttons, a capability several rivals also offer. RecurPost keeps the whole package at $9 to $79 per month depending on roster size.

Vista Social runs the deepest engagement stack in this group: an inbox with assignment and saved replies across seven networks plus a visual DM-automation flow builder with comment-to-DM triggers. Vista Social Professional costs $79 per month for 15 profiles, and X conversations require the $29 add-on.

Agorapulse centers its whole product on the inbox, with message assignment, team roles down to Moderator and auto-replies on custom plans. Agorapulse prices per user, so quote your seat count before comparing.

Vista Social wins this group outright when the budget carries $79 plus add-ons. RecurPost wins it on price when the inbox needs to come bundled with scheduling rather than centered. Engagement-first teams with several seats should quote Agorapulse.

Answering comments and DMs one login at a time because SmarterQueue has no inbox? RecurPost bundles an inbox with AI replies into every paid plan, from $9/mo.

You Want Deeper Analytics or Ads Management on a Budget

Best matchMetricool
Choose Metricool whenAnalytics and ads management on a budget
Skip RecurPost hereNo competitor benchmarking, no audience demographics

SmarterQueue’s analytics deserve credit before the criticism: best-time-to-post modeling built on your own historical engagement is a signature feature few rivals match. The gaps sit around it. SmarterQueue reports no X analytics, limits competitor analysis to Facebook Pages and manages no paid ads.

Metricool wins this group, and it is not close. Metricool’s free plan covers 1 brand with up to 20 posts per month (without X or LinkedIn publishing). Metricool’s Starter covers 5 brands at $25 per month, or 10 brands at $45, with unlimited publishing, Google Business Profile on every tier and ads management inside the same dashboard. One Metricool brand holds one client’s whole profile set, so 10 brands means 10 clients. X publishing costs extra as an add-on, the one echo of SmarterQueue’s model.

RecurPost does not compete here. RecurPost offers white-label reports but no competitor benchmarking and no audience demographics beyond platform APIs. An analytics-first buyer should pick Metricool and skip the rest of this page.

You Want Category Recycling With Better Collaboration

Best matchSocialBee
Choose SocialBee whenCategory-queue workflow is the whole reason you chose SmarterQueue
Watch outSocialBee repeats SmarterQueue’s approval and inbox weaknesses

SocialBee is the honest answer for anyone leaving SmarterQueue who still wants category queues at the center of the product. SocialBee organizes all content into categories with ratios, variations and recurring schedules, the same mental model SmarterQueue users already run. SocialBee Bootstrap costs $29 per month for 5 profiles, Accelerate costs $49 and unlocks CSV uploads plus the post-approval system, and Pro costs $99 for 25 profiles with 3 users.

SocialBee’s collaboration improves on SmarterQueue’s without becoming good. Clients must hold a SocialBee account to review anything, no link-based review exists and our audit found the client-approval flow confusing. An agency leaving SmarterQueue because of approvals should route to the approvals group above instead.

RecurPost includes recurring and seasonal content libraries as a bonus on top of core scheduling, not as the center of the product.

SocialBee earns this group whenever the category-queue workflow is the whole reason you chose SmarterQueue in the first place. Buyers switching for approvals or inbox reasons will find SocialBee repeats SmarterQueue’s weaknesses.

You Need Social Listening or Enterprise Governance

Best matchSprout Social or Hootsuite for enterprise, Agorapulse for lower per-user pricing
Choose Agorapulse whenBudget per-user listening with strong inbox tooling
Skip RecurPost and SmarterQueue hereNeither has social listening at any price

Sprout Social and Hootsuite own this group. Sprout Social’s Standard plan runs $199 per seat per month, with social listening sold as an add-on from Standard upward. Hootsuite runs $99 to $399 per user per month on annual billing with listening in its higher tiers. Agorapulse covers listening at a lower per-user price with the inbox strengths described above. Vista Social sells cross-web listening as a $75 per month add-on on top of its base plans.

SmarterQueue has no listening, and neither does RecurPost. RecurPost offers no sentiment analysis either. An agency selling listening reports to clients should shortlist Sprout Social, Hootsuite or Agorapulse and treat everything else on this page as a scheduler.

Where RecurPost Falls Short

RecurPost’s gaps deserve the same bluntness as SmarterQueue’s.

  • RecurPost has no social listening and no sentiment analysis.
  • RecurPost has no role-based permissions. Every invited team member gets full edit rights inside a workspace, so agencies enforce review discipline through the approval queue rather than through roles. SmarterQueue’s Admin, Editor and Client roles are more granular here.
  • RecurPost’s interface is utilitarian. It handles large client rosters fine and wins no design awards doing it.
  • RecurPost offers no competitor benchmarking and no audience demographics beyond what platform APIs return, and nothing in RecurPost matches SmarterQueue’s best-time modeling built on your own post history.
  • RecurPost does not publish to Snapchat and has no link-in-bio product.
  • X posts beyond 280 characters require the client’s own X Premium subscription.

Agencies that switched anyway did it for workflow coverage. The RecurPost case studies show which rosters made that trade and why.

The Pricing Math, Both Ways

SmarterQueue’s sticker prices sit mid-pack, and the one-user base plus the tweet cap decide the real cost more than the headline number does.

ToolBase plan (monthly billing)Social accounts includedWhat changes the real cost
SmarterQueue Solo$29.9941 user; 50 X credits/mo; profiles, users and categories are add-on steppers
SmarterQueue Agency$99.99251 user; higher X-credit allowances cost extra
RecurPost Agency$79203 team members included; extra account $4/mo; uncapped X and GBP included
Buffer Essentials$6 per channelPer channelApprovals need Team at $12/channel; no error surfaced on failed posts
Metricool Starter$255 brands at $25, 10 at $45 (1 brand = 1 client’s profiles)X publishing costs extra as an add-on
Vista Social Professional$7915X publishing adds $29/mo; listening adds $75/mo
SocialBee Bootstrap$295Approvals and CSV upload need Accelerate at $49

Sources: SmarterQueue, RecurPost, Buffer, Metricool, Vista Social, and SocialBee pricing pages. Verified July 16, 2026.

We checked SmarterQueue, RecurPost, Buffer, Metricool and Vista Social against vendor pricing pages on July 16, 2026. SocialBee figures come from our June 2026 audit. Annual billing lowers most of these by roughly 15 to 20 percent.

Run the math in both directions.

A solo operator with 4 profiles saves money almost anywhere. Buffer Essentials covers 4 channels for $24 against SmarterQueue Solo at $29.99, and RecurPost Personal covers 5 profiles for $25. A solo whose whole workflow is the category queue can rationally stay at $29.99, because neither cheaper option replicates SmarterQueue’s recycling depth.

A 10-account, multi-client roster pays SmarterQueue Business $49.99 with one seat. RecurPost reaches 10 accounts for $45 (Personal at $25 plus five $4 add-on accounts). Metricool’s 10-brand Starter tier covers that roster for $45, among the cheapest numbers on this page, as long as the X add-on and the missing approval workflow do not matter to you.

A 25-profile agency lands on a near tie in sticker price. SmarterQueue Agency costs $99.99 for 25 profiles and RecurPost Agency reaches 25 accounts at $99 ($79 plus five $4 add-ons). Nobody leaves SmarterQueue at that size to save a dollar. The $99 buys three included team seats, uncapped X, an inbox and an approval queue; the $99.99 buys the recycling engine and the own-history analytics. The roster decides, not the price.

A listening-driven agency pays more than either and should. Vista Social Professional plus the X and listening add-ons totals $183 per month, and Sprout Social starts at $199 per seat before its listening add-on. Both beat RecurPost for that buyer at any price, because RecurPost cannot produce a listening report at all.

When Staying on SmarterQueue Is the Right Call

SmarterQueue keeps three things most rivals do not replicate. SmarterQueue’s best-time-to-post analytics run on your own historical engagement rather than generic benchmarks, and can analyze your history before you even sign up. SmarterQueue’s recycling engine handles expiry dates, max-post caps, category ratio balancing and per-post text variations with more control than most alternatives, SocialBee excepted. SmarterQueue’s curation stack (a browser extension, RSS auto-import and find-content from any public Facebook or Instagram page) feeds the queue from anywhere.

A solo blogger or small brand recycling a deep archive across 4 to 10 profiles, staying inside the 50 included monthly X credits and answering comments in the native apps, should stay. Switching would trade a mature recycling engine for inbox and approval features that workflow never touches.

Where RecurPost Fits, and Where It Does Not

RecurPost fits the roster that broke SmarterQueue. The four-client agency from the top of this page lands on RecurPost because the restaurant client tweets daily through uncapped X support with the wallet covering link fees, the law firm’s posts route through an approval queue inside its own workspace, every client connects accounts through a password-free email or link invite, and comment replies run through one inbox with AI assistance. RecurPost’s error handling covers 850+ documented platform failure types, so a failed post surfaces with a reason instead of dying silently. And RecurPost prices per profile with no per-seat inflation: the $79 Agency plan includes 3 team members where SmarterQueue starts every plan at one.

RecurPost does not fit listening-driven agencies, teams that need granular role permissions, analytics-first buyers or solos whose entire workflow is the category queue. Those buyers have better answers in the groups above.

The RecurPost vs SmarterQueue comparison walks both tools feature by feature if SmarterQueue is your only other candidate. See the RecurPost social media scheduler in full before committing to any migration.

Moving Off SmarterQueue

Category queues do not transfer between tools, so treat the migration as a rebuild rather than an export. Copy captions and download media for anything still cycling in your queues before canceling, since expiry rules and ratios exist only inside SmarterQueue. RecurPost shortens the rebuild by importing your past posts straight from each connected social account, which recreates a working content base without CSV formatting. Categories then map naturally onto per-client content libraries and schedules.

SmarterQueue Alternatives FAQs

How Does SmarterQueue Limit X (Twitter) Publishing?

SmarterQueue meters X publishing with monthly X/Twitter Credits, combined across all workspaces in the organization. Every plan includes 50 credits per month, and SmarterQueue sells higher allowances as a paid add-on with steps that reach 40,000 credits. Fifty credits cover fewer than two X posts a day across an entire client roster.

Which SmarterQueue Alternatives Include a Social Inbox?

RecurPost includes an inbox with AI replies on its paid plans. Vista Social runs an inbox with team assignment across seven networks, and Agorapulse builds its whole product around inbox management. SocialBee offers a lighter inbox without assignment or auto-reply. Buffer covers comments through its Community tab, and Publer has no inbox at all.

Is There a Free SmarterQueue Alternative?

SmarterQueue sells no free plan, so any free tier is an upgrade on price. Buffer’s free plan covers 3 channels with 10 scheduled posts per channel. Metricool’s free plan manages 1 brand with up to 20 posts per month, without X or LinkedIn publishing. HeyOrca offers a free single-workspace tier with 15 posts per month. Free tiers fit a single-brand test rather than a client roster.

What Does SmarterQueue Cost at 10 and 25 Profiles?

SmarterQueue Business covers 10 profiles at $49.99 per month and Agency covers 25 at $99.99, both on monthly billing and both starting with one user. Annual billing drops those to $42.99 and $84.99 per month. RecurPost reaches the same counts at $45 and $99 with 3 team members included at the top tier.

Which SmarterQueue Alternative Keeps Category-Based Recycling?

SocialBee runs the closest category model: content lives in categories with ratios, variations and recurring schedules, from $29 per month for 5 profiles. SocialBee caps categories by plan (10 on Bootstrap, 50 on Accelerate, unlimited on Pro), so heavy category users should count their queues before picking a tier.

Do Any SmarterQueue Alternatives Offer Password-Free Client Onboarding?

RecurPost sends clients an email or link invite so they connect their own accounts without sharing credentials, on every paid plan. Sendible offers the same through Client Connect from its $99 Plus plan. Vista Social offers an external profile-connect link on its Scale tier. SmarterQueue, Buffer and Publer all require direct account credentials.

Does SmarterQueue Have an Approval Workflow?

SmarterQueue offers Admin, Editor and Client roles with inline comments but no formal approval gate that holds a post until signoff. RecurPost includes an approval queue on every paid plan, HeyOrca builds its workspaces around review rounds, and Vista Social supports approval workflows with multi-stage routing on its Advanced plan.

Try RecurPost

RecurPost Fits Rosters SmarterQueue’s X Cap and Approval Gaps Broke

RecurPost is a social media management tool with uncapped X publishing and approvals on every paid plan from $9.

  • 20 social accounts on the Agency plan at $79/mo flat
  • 3 team members included; extra members $20/mo, extra accounts $4/mo
  • X publishing included on every paid plan, with the $0.20 per-link fee covered
  • Approval queue and password-free client onboarding on every paid plan
  • Social inbox with AI-assisted replies and Instagram DM automation
  • 14-day free trial, no credit card required, 30-day money-back guarantee

RecurPost has no social listening, no granular role permissions, and no category-recycling engine as deep as SmarterQueue’s. If your whole workflow is recycling a content archive solo within the included X credits, SmarterQueue still wins that case.